tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post3289119463083959531..comments2024-01-20T23:55:26.269-08:00Comments on The Detritus Review: Will the next Mozart please stand up?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-26878384929921397302010-03-15T21:19:45.001-07:002010-03-15T21:19:45.001-07:00Well, let's look at Hip Hop. Apparently, this ...Well, let's look at Hip Hop. Apparently, this type of music is quite popular. However, I don't understand it. Being a Caucasian suburbanite, I think that Hip Hop artists need to write music for people like me so I can understand it and be popular. This includes merry chord progressions and melodies, and subject matter that is relevant to me (who wants to talk about "Superman-ing hos?" Can't we just talk about lawn mowers?).<br /><br />If you haven't figured out yet that I agree with you, well I do. We need to understand that implications and consequences of society that influences music, along with music's natural evolution (whether or not that includes 12-tone method is in the eye of the beholder). Mr. Panetta can enjoy his music of the past, but I will stick to my music of the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-54530195390958341362010-03-15T19:47:14.648-07:002010-03-15T19:47:14.648-07:00I forgot, I got this link from The Innova Facebook...I forgot, I got this link from The Innova Facebook page, and I was not considerate to remind that Innova has some of the most interesting new artists anywhere. The work can be heard on Innova's five Live365 streams and generally purchased on CD or .mp3.<br /><br />And, thank you Philip!!RichardMitnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075099496689328127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-18871625583315622322010-03-15T19:39:51.693-07:002010-03-15T19:39:51.693-07:00The liveliest scene for New Music available now to...The liveliest scene for New Music available now to ALL, is Q2, the 24/7 eclectic (read "new")music stream at http://www/wqxr.org/q2.<br /><br />And, the New Music scene in New York City is just bursting with creativity.<br /><br />Best to leave the dead wood behind for the ants.RichardMitnickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18075099496689328127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-11987173977230237602010-03-05T07:43:20.263-08:002010-03-05T07:43:20.263-08:00Wow, great post. I think you are spot-on with the...Wow, great post. I think you are spot-on with the "not knowing" issue-- and it works on several levels. As you point out, the kind of music that he says he wants is already out there, he just hasn't invested the time to find it. It's so much easier to bitch about apparent gaps in the literature than to actually go to a library (eek!) or buy some CDs or otherwise spend five minutes on lastfm and listen to some new music. <br /><br />Intellectual laziness sucks.AnthonyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13162009600236566716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-49472873185445423442010-03-03T17:10:05.041-08:002010-03-03T17:10:05.041-08:00@ Jason - Why do your conservative friends dog on ...@ Jason - Why do your conservative friends dog on you for listening to NPR/PBS? Are they so jaded by Fox News that they don't even know what real journalism looks like any more? I know Jim Lehrer is a liberal in his heart of hearts, but could there be a newscaster more painfully "fair and balanced"?Gustavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316458340368681169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-14349139029336710172010-03-03T16:52:51.532-08:002010-03-03T16:52:51.532-08:00Excellent points, E. I think it's hard to ar...Excellent points, E. I think it's hard to argue with everything you're saying about the market value of established commodities like Beethoven. Beethoven is indeed king at the symphony box office, and rightly so. And if Gary wanted to make the point that orchestra should only focus on filling houses and ignore more artistic endeavors, then nothing but orchestral staples is the way the go. And if that's his point, the fiduciary responsibilites of orchestras, then it seems odd that he'd even make this plea for new orchestral music. But as you point out, E, he doesn't really seem to be making a financial argument. <br /><br />But again, I think it's important to point out that there are already tons of working composers who very much buy into this idea of audience friendly music (even though I don't buy his premise that even avant garde composers don't think of their audiences). For some it's a calcuated move, and for others it is representative of the true voice. <br /><br />And this isn't new issue. Barber, for example, held ardently to romanticism even into the 1960s. Copland rethought his modernist training in favor of populism (and then became a dodecaphonist). <br /><br />Of working composers Philip Glass has international recognition, as does John Adams and Steve Reich. Although a film scorer, John Williams has almost singlehandedly introduced a new generation to classical music through his extrodinarily popular melodies. I could whistle half a dozen melodies from John Corigliano off the top of my head. My point being that the very thing Gary is asking for already exists. <br /><br />And just beyond these most famous of composers lies a sea of new tonalists like Chris Theofanidis, Jennifer Higdon, Kevin Puts, Osvaldo Golijov and dozens more. All Gary has to do to find classical music that harkens back to traditional harmonic languages (at least as far as scales and triadic harmony are concerned) is look a little harder. <br /><br />But the reason I think he doesn't understand this has everything to do with being unwilling to learn and expand his very narrow vision of what constitutes music.Gustavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05316458340368681169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-24748891356095044392010-03-03T13:38:19.989-08:002010-03-03T13:38:19.989-08:00I'll take this a different direction and defen...I'll take this a different direction and defend poor Gary.<br /><br />See, I tend to think that past generations' institutionalization, or canonization, of baroque, classical, and romantic composers' music beautifully serves, today, to ascribe a particular monetary, or market, value proportionate to their bygone perceived artistic worth. In other words, the argument for Beethoven piece X's worth is ultimately stronger than an argument for new music, whose market value is unobtainable without the benefit of reflective time (at least in the same sense as Beethoven, for example). This means that, in a capitalist environment, the dividends are more stable and trustworthy for Beethoven. Thus, there is no incentive to push the boundaries, to explore the new. What's left, is merely the ethical incentive, which, as Gary points out, is not a practical endeavor, at least 'as is'; new music, in his eyes, needs to compete on the same level as the Beethoven. Unfortunately, this means new music requires a known base of comparison, i.e., a common practice, whether it consists of melodies or triads. So, in a sense he's right!<br /><br />But, then again, I don't think this is what he's trying to say. And you rightly called him out for his ignorance.<br /><br />Also, the word verification: GARYME.<br />Coincidence?Empiricushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11629835829400843701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-92171933089462995632010-03-03T06:23:43.056-08:002010-03-03T06:23:43.056-08:00Gary Panetta is exhibit A for my arch-conservative...Gary Panetta is exhibit A for my arch-conservative friends who dog me for being an NPR/PBS-type myself. Looking at him I'm forced to admit that there are just as many close-minded morons looking out for their own comfort and mistrustful of change on my side of the political spectrum (with the added insult that many of those same people are patting themselves on the back for their broad compassion and wide-ranging cultural interests--at least I'm conflicted about my middle-of-the-road liberal values *sigh*).jasonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3371351138596055444.post-11046880958636941112010-03-02T21:00:07.661-08:002010-03-02T21:00:07.661-08:00Well said, and you cite excellent examples by John...Well said, and you cite excellent examples by John Adams and Steve Reich. There is nothing worse than having to deal with pretentious, self absorbed people like Gary who like to pretend they are subject matter experts.300 SDLnoreply@blogger.com